New Level Unlocked; Villain Zone!

[perfectringofscars]

Hey, ya'll, this is Angel ( Abraxas ) with my second Tron villain; Clu(2)!

Annnd, as this has been chattered about on plurk a lot, and now vetted by our lovely mods, pitching another plot idea in honor of opening up a new location;



It's been established that eventually there needs to be some sort of place for the orange guys to go where they won't be summarily executed in the street ( not that this guy doesn't deserve it, but makes plotting hard ) so Sharn ( notglitching ) Re ( our new AU!Sam, lyal2clu ) and I figured that between the Rinzlers keeping Clu's throne ship, and working with the rest of the comm, we could come up with a suitable place.

My thought was possibly letting them take over one of the floating cliffs out over the Sea of Simulation, and set up a little base of operations? Hard to get to, hard to find what with all the rocks floating around out there, and removed enough to not step on any protagonist plotting toes.

But this shouldn't be easy! I'm planning to put up a closed post ( Sorry! ) for my Clu, here, first because there's a little bit of plot setup that needs to happen to make all this stuff work the way the various muns want it to. Once that's done with, though, it'll be open season.

But we want to hear your thoughts, grid_lined! I figure that Security will be not happy about the influx of orange onto the Grid, but would they fight them, exile them? My Clu, and Team Orange will be staying sneaky for a little bit to begin with, but when that changes, how should it change?

Ideas/Comments/Suggestions, please put them here!

Comments

[usedtoknow]

Not that anyone was going to get executed in the streets, since (a) that'd make bringing in evil villains pretty futile and (b) Flynn wouldn't have it, but yeah, there should be a place for characters to live who refuse to live with the Free Grid being free.

My vote would be for the Clus to basically approach Flynn as a delegation and demand autonomy. That could at put a veneer of due process on the idea of handing part of the Grid over to the bad guys, as well as assuaging their egos, since if they wanted equal treatment I'm sure they'd be given it.

Another thought: Team Protagonist would have ICly talked about this somewhere offscreen, at least in the process of running disaster simulations about what might happen if the Portal suddenly dropped a pile of Clus on them. XD~ What might they have said?

(I may have to find a way to ICly remove Ram and Roy from the Grid while the action is going on, though. With rl clearly not letting me have brainroom for backtags, I can't manage them having to deal with a new pile of inevitable angst and conflict. :( )

[usedtoknow]

Oh, and also I love the idea of the floating cliff base, though. Because FLOATING CLIFF BASE.<3

[ja307020]

But... you know what happens to floating places in RPGs, right?

[perfectringofscars]

Oh man, sneaky diplomacy. I like it.

[ja307020]

I like the plan above, especially since Flynn is actually pretty likely to grant it since it also gets all the Rinzlers away from everyone else and stops all those random NPCs from getting derezzed in the background. And in the interest of not having most of Team Protagonist coming down on Team Antagonist like a ton of bricks, low collateral damage plans are probably better. (People will probably notice Compiler screwing around with the Grid's base code out there, eventually.) Maybe point out that there are Clu-loyalists still in the city who have been causing low-level background trouble from not really integrating with everyone else? Then Team Antagonist is really doing everyone a favor~! And just in exchange for being left alone~!

Of course, I imagine certain elements of Security will still be creeping on you like Batman keeping an eye on things. You know, in case of sudden yet inevitable betrayal.

[perfectringofscars]

Tron back signal needs to exist, just saying

Mostly, yeah. Having a place they could recuperate, and rebuild be left alone seems like a win-win all the way around. My Clu is definitely doing a priority check post-Reintegration ( and wondering how he survived that, but that's another thing ) and falling back on old sneaky bastard(tm) instincts.

The betrayal is a given, though. Just...later. When you least expect it, nyar, nyar

[perfectringofscars]

...That should have been "Bat signal" but I can not edit comments.

[ja307020]

If it's inevitable you're by definition expecting it. :|

[fight4theusers]

My personal preference is for Team Antagonist to do all this without "permission," but that's up to how you want it to unfold. I'd rather not be having the good guys giving them a "reservation" of sorts to live on. Just. Meh, rubs me the wrong way. Let the bad guys take what they want.

Obviously, we'd have to have some sort of lockout so they couldn't go taking over whatever they wanted in the city, but taking over floaty island things? Totally doable, and with Compiler on their side, they could start building their own little grid-colony out there.

[perfectringofscars]

I was more meaning as an eventuality, because first I gotta get my Clu int he game. Then work on a starting point. The diplomacy bit would be something down the line.

To start with, it'll be skirmishes, and I assume some NPC-ing done as far as some rank and file joining up with Clu again. Just because there was a lot of the Grid that was orange beforehand,and I don't see every single program ever just...giving up on hundreds of cycles of function, and their day to day lives?

[ja307020]

Easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission, maybe? Diplomacy after they get caught?

[usedtoknow]

That's why "we are now autonomous, treat with us as equals" seems to work better in my head than "we've made a place for you to live, now go there". :3

[notglitching]

I'd second brightdreamer about conflict seeming likelier? I mean, while some characters (Flynn) may be in favor of trying to give Clu a fair deal, he's badly screwed over large portions of the Grid, and it seems odd for most people to ICly just say "oh, sure, we'll give you some space to rule". Particularly if said space includes inhabitants of any kind.

Not saying some kind of treaty wouldn't be the eventual result, but at this point, the protagonists have been able to keep the whole place theirs for long enough. I don't know if people would just assume giving Clu even a part of the Grid back is the sane/safe move when they (think they) have the capability to just shut him down.

/shrug. Obviously could go either way, but it seems more likely to me the concession would be made after fighting has proven to work poorly for both sides, which means there would have to be at least a period of conflict.

But I play a murder-happy character for a reason, so there may be some bias in this. Did I mention conflict is fun? Right. That. >.>

[fight4theusers]

I don't think there necessarily has to be fighting for this to happen, but conflict? Yes. I don't think this will be a happy arrangement, at least not from the Good Guys side.

I like the idea that Team Clu starts setting up their own little operation with Compiler's help, perhaps being hidden for awhile. Maybe the Rinzlers and/or Abraxas can cause some havok in the city to hide what's going on out in the Outlands until it's too late to do much about it?

[perfectringofscars]

I...think I have just been bad at articulating how I envisioned this to work? You've mostly nailed it here with fighting, and skirmishes, and then Flynn ( probably ) spearheading the "Give them a rock" because it gets them out of the city ( mostly, not all orange NPC's can be assumed to head out to nowhere ) but gives them the freedom to live.

To start with, though, it's going to be a fair amount of sneaking through the Outlands on the saved ship, staying on the move and such, shadow games tactics, and Clu basically doing his best to let the fear of his reputation take hold before he ever actually makes himself known. In the meantime, he's got Compiler working at understanding the changes made in this Grid, then getting to work on altering it. BUT THAT IS OTHER PLOTTING FOR ANOTHER TIME.

Bottom line; initial period of conflict is ( in my mind ) a building tension of Loyalist(s) carrying out strike, and fade maneuvers to get resources, information, etc that Clu wants, and needs.

[ja307020]

Blarg apparently I can't words right either.

I was just thinking this could easily bring the Free Grid to the edge of civil war, especially once Clu goes public. In which case diplomacy is the new "I win" button.

But, you know, not until unavoidably public/edge of civil war. Because pick fight with every Rinzlers was apparently on Tron's bucket list somewhere. :D

[givemereason]

Echo approves of having some place to go where she won't be greeted with a disc in the face. She has been hanging out all by her lonesome on the fringe of the inhabitable area of the City since her Clu up and vanished from the Free Grid. I don't think she has ICly met up with any other red or orange programs aside from that one Clu who shall not be spoken of as she soon wanted to kill him for reasons, so she has become very much a recluse. Rejoining the orange ranks will definitely do her some good.

[threat_detected]

Wrong account, but looool

It seems to be only a handful of orange folks still running around, yeah. But after chattering with Re, and Sharn on plurk, this seems like a fun thing to do, and I'd be super happy to have lots of other g_l muns and characters involved as well?

I HOPE I CAN DO CLU JUSTICE because lord knows there's more than a few AWESOME Clu players running around journal RP these days jhjfjhakh

[perfectadmin]

Youuuuuuu rang?

[r_a_m_1982]

PLEASE TELL ME YOU WILL NAME THEIR SUPERVILLAIN LAIR '404'

OR '503 gateway error'

CAN THE ISLAND BE SHAPED LIKE A SKULL FOR MAXIMUM LULZ? I guess not but it's a classic!

CAN THIS BE THEIR SYMBOL?

IS A PIXEL OCTOPUS
Evil Programs do not sow

WITH CIRCUITS! >




...I will leave now

[perfectringofscars]

....YOUR CREEPY USER TENTACLE-BEAST NOTWITHSTANDING THIS PLACE WILL BE "PERFECTION ISLAND".

OR SOMETHING.

Watch me adopt 503 as an OOC thing, now

[1st_program]

Replying to this a million years later - I had to think over what I wanted to say because I know that even when I'm not trying to I end up making waves, and I'm trying to avoid that as much as possible.

I'm probably the only detractor in the 'liking conflict' area, I'm really not a fan, and while I'm fine with emotionally heavy threads (and, in fact, am quite fond of them) I'm not big on action/fights/political intrigue.

That said, I do think this is a good idea (things will get stale with everyone more-or-less happy all the time) but I'll be keeping my kids out of it as much as possible. I realize that I'll probably get caught up in the edges of it considering who all I play, there's not really any conceivable way for a security guy, one of the Trons (and for that matter one of the Rinzlers because he's still not sure which he is) a User and a couple of Isos to stay out of this kind of thing completely.

This is by no means a 'I'm taking my toys and going home', because, uh, I'm not, and this is my home, it's just that I personally am not comfortable playing out action/infighting/actual fighting/political intrigue. I'm not good at it, and it's not something I'll get good at if I do it more, trying to write those things becomes a chore for me and I don't want RP to be a chore as I do it to get away from things that are chores to me.

So, in summary:
It's a good idea and I am all for it and even though I will be keeping my cast list as minimally involved as possible, I will still be watching with interest.

[overarch]

I have much the same issue with all this kind of conflict -- it can be amazing watching everyone else thrash it all out, but I seldom feel comfortable playing out what my characters would contribute to such situations, and rp is my refuge too. So Allon can hide with your ISOs while it happens? XD;~~~

And thank you for being one of us and speaking up, even simply to say "I'll be watching". This is home for us all, even when part of our company are having rock-band practice off the hall. ^______^~~

[creator_man]

Youuuu are definitely not alone.

That said, I know it's also a mods preference thing, and I will do my best to not let Flynn lag out of it, since... well.

[perfectringofscars]

Hey, by no means was this meant to be...idk, some sort of compulsory involvement thing <3. Just a bit of fun, and a way to stir things up a little.

Ya'll will still give us score cards, and golf clap when we do something interesting, though, right?

...Right?